[penguicon-general] Creative Commons Discount for Program Participants

[Matt Arnold]

A lot of presenters do an amazing amount of preparatory work for their
presentations. It involves expertise and can be many hours of work
that they could have spent otherwise. Currently, unless they're a
Nifty or GoH, they pay full price to get into the convention. Now,
what if they could say "here, look at all this work I did to prepare"
and showed us some of it, and we reward them for that?

So that's another way to explain it.

-Matt

On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Shay <bardicwench at gmail.com> wrote:
> Very true.  I've always had fun at all of the panels that I've been involved
> with.
>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> All those are excellent examples. But also keep in mind that it sounds
>> like Shay is doing some pretty fun and rewarding stuff by
>> participating in those particular events, whether she gets a discount
>> or not.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:56 PM, chuck child <chuck.child at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Well. . Im not your track head, but here's what I would say:
>> >
>> > A three minute youtube video could be quickly made about any of the
>> > three.
>> > The first two could be moderately well explained, in five or six
>> > paragraphs,
>> > well enough to get the point across to someone not in-the-know.
>> > You could practice the first two into a microphone, and submit the mp3.
>> > You would draft the third like it was a play, with rough blocking,
>> > lines,
>> > and cosume notes.
>> > You could write up the flirting panel like a magazine article.
>> >
>> > Im sure I could come up with a couple more, were this my job, and
>> > knowing
>> > that the whole point is to condense the essence of a cool panel, so the
>> > world can touch it.. . . And five years from now we can use the first
>> > video
>> > as a launching point for a version 2.0 of the same thing.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/4/08, Shay <bardicwench at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My only question is: What kind of a paper would I do?  The panels that
>> >> I've frequently been on at Penguicon are: flirting panels, Introduction
>> >> to
>> >> Penguicon/Fandom panels and Chocolate Ritual.
>> >>
>> >> ~Shay
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:36 PM, chuck child <chuck.child at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> From my current understanding, the problem we are trying to solve is
>> >>> this:   We get a goodly number of people who sign up for four panels,
>> >>> prepare not a whit, and don't really have any enthusiasm about the
>> >>> panels
>> >>> they are on, simply to get the discount.    Some of those don't even
>> >>> bother
>> >>> to show up to the panels they are supposed to present.
>> >>>
>> >>> As for what we do with these papers. . . Well, we are working hard to
>> >>> become a charitable institution, with an educational scope, and
>> >>> hopefully
>> >>> without quashing any of the fun we already have.   It seems to me that
>> >>> this
>> >>> step would allow us to collect, and present to the world at large, the
>> >>> same
>> >>> type of information we are presenting at our panels, thus broadening
>> >>> our
>> >>> scope and effectiveness, without greatly affecting the convention
>> >>> itself.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Chuck
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9/4/08, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jer wrote:
>> >>>> > And changing just for the sake of not resisting change is terrible!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Because we have always done it that way" is the worst reason to
>> >>>> continue to do anything.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Because it's new" is the worse reason to stop doing it the way we
>> >>>> have
>> >>>> always done it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Demonstrate "better" and I'm on that like white on rice.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the current discussion I have yet to see a need, or any evidence
>> >>>> that
>> >>>> this is better.  Yea, I'm beating Matt's idea like a rented mule.
>> >>>>  But
>> >>>> that is what you should do.  Flog it to bits now, if it cannot
>> >>>> withstand
>> >>>> that, likely it is not your friend.  I am for the sake of discussion
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> Devil's Advocate.  My actually option aside, I am going to rag on
>> >>>> Matt's
>> >>>> brain child until it is strong, or dead.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Several Things:  These are direct questions to Matt.  I believe these
>> >>>> are question that need answers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is their a glut of possible panels that requires a winnowing process?
>> >>>> Programing for 48 hours, there have to be two things to do every hour
>> >>>> at
>> >>>> least.  So call that 3 panels at any given time.  144 panels usually
>> >>>> with two to three presenters each.  Are we overstocked?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What is a Creative Commons white paper?  At you looking for a quick
>> >>>> outline of the panel to be, or a dissertation?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If the former, I can understand the idea as a way to show what the
>> >>>> panel
>> >>>> is about.  I offered one without being asked last year on my "How to
>> >>>> Write for RPGs" panel.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why does Penguicon need them if the latter?  We are not a peer review
>> >>>> body, presenting to us is for entertainment only.  Tell me why this
>> >>>> effort is worth my time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What happens after the Con?  Do these papers shrivel up and become a
>> >>>> cobweb page or is there really a chance they will see some use?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
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>> >>>>
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