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Mon Sep 1 10:48:06 EDT 2008

We get a goodly number of people who sign up for four panels, prepare not a
whit, and don't really have any enthusiasm about the panels they are on,
simply to get the discount.    Some of those don't even bother to show up to
the panels they are supposed to present.

As for what we do with these papers. . . Well, we are working hard to become
a charitable institution, with an educational scope, and hopefully without
quashing any of the fun we already have.   It seems to me that this step
would allow us to collect, and present to the world at large, the same type
of information we are presenting at our panels, thus broadening our scope
and effectiveness, without greatly affecting the convention itself.

-Chuck

On 9/4/08, Garry Stahl <tesral at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Jer wrote:
> > And changing just for the sake of not resisting change is terrible!
>
> "Because we have always done it that way" is the worst reason to
> continue to do anything.
>
> "Because it's new" is the worse reason to stop doing it the way we have
> always done it.
>
> Demonstrate "better" and I'm on that like white on rice.
>
> In the current discussion I have yet to see a need, or any evidence that
> this is better.  Yea, I'm beating Matt's idea like a rented mule.  But
> that is what you should do.  Flog it to bits now, if it cannot withstand
> that, likely it is not your friend.  I am for the sake of discussion the
> Devil's Advocate.  My actually option aside, I am going to rag on Matt's
> brain child until it is strong, or dead.
>
> Several Things:  These are direct questions to Matt.  I believe these
> are question that need answers.
>
> Is their a glut of possible panels that requires a winnowing process?
> Programing for 48 hours, there have to be two things to do every hour at
> least.  So call that 3 panels at any given time.  144 panels usually
> with two to three presenters each.  Are we overstocked?
>
> What is a Creative Commons white paper?  At you looking for a quick
> outline of the panel to be, or a dissertation?
>
> If the former, I can understand the idea as a way to show what the panel
> is about.  I offered one without being asked last year on my "How to
> Write for RPGs" panel.
>
> Why does Penguicon need them if the latter?  We are not a peer review
> body, presenting to us is for entertainment only.  Tell me why this
> effort is worth my time.
>
> What happens after the Con?  Do these papers shrivel up and become a
> cobweb page or is there really a chance they will see some use?
>
> --
> Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames.
>
> Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
> Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur
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<div>From my current understanding, the problem we are trying to solve is this:&nbsp;&nbsp; We get a goodly number of people who sign up for four panels, prepare not a whit, and don&#39;t really have any enthusiasm about the panels they are on, simply to get the discount.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Some of those don&#39;t even bother to show up to the panels they are supposed to present.</div>

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<div>As for what we do with these papers. . . Well, we are working hard to become a charitable institution, with an educational scope, and hopefully without quashing any of the fun we already have.&nbsp;&nbsp; It seems to me that this step would allow us to collect, and present to the world at large, the same type of information we are presenting at our panels, thus broadening our scope and effectiveness, without greatly affecting the convention itself. 
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<div>-Chuck &nbsp;</div>
<div>On 9/4/08, Garry Stahl &lt;<a href="mailto:tesral at comcast.net">tesral at comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Jer wrote: &gt; And changing just for the sake of not resisting change is terrible! &quot;Because we have always done it that way&quot; is the worst reason to 
continue to do anything. &quot;Because it&#39;s new&quot; is the worse reason to stop doing it the way we have always done it. Demonstrate &quot;better&quot; and I&#39;m on that like white on rice. 
In the current discussion I have yet to see a need, or any evidence that this is better.&nbsp;&nbsp;Yea, I&#39;m beating Matt&#39;s idea like a rented mule.&nbsp;&nbsp;But that is what you should do.&nbsp;&nbsp;Flog it to bits now, if it cannot withstand 
that, likely it is not your friend.&nbsp;&nbsp;I am for the sake of discussion the Devil&#39;s Advocate.&nbsp;&nbsp;My actually option aside, I am going to rag on Matt&#39;s brain child until it is strong, or dead. Several Things:&nbsp;&nbsp;These are direct questions to Matt.&nbsp;&nbsp;I believe these 
are question that need answers. Is their a glut of possible panels that requires a winnowing process? Programing for 48 hours, there have to be two things to do every hour at least.&nbsp;&nbsp;So call that 3 panels at any given time.&nbsp;&nbsp;144 panels usually 
with two to three presenters each.&nbsp;&nbsp;Are we overstocked? What is a Creative Commons white paper?&nbsp;&nbsp;At you looking for a quick outline of the panel to be, or a dissertation? If the former, I can understand the idea as a way to show what the panel 
is about.&nbsp;&nbsp;I offered one without being asked last year on my &quot;How to Write for RPGs&quot; panel. Why does Penguicon need them if the latter?&nbsp;&nbsp;We are not a peer review body, presenting to us is for entertainment only.&nbsp;&nbsp;Tell me why this 
effort is worth my time. What happens after the Con?&nbsp;&nbsp;Do these papers shrivel up and become a cobweb page or is there really a chance they will see some use? -- Garry AKA --Phoenix-- Rising above the Flames. 
 Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Star Trek mort. Viva la Star Trek admiraetur The Olde Phoenix Inn <a href="http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com">http://phoenixinn.iwarp.com</a> Metro Detroit Linux Users Group <a href="http://www.mdlug.org">http://www.mdlug.org</a> 
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