[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

Tue Jun 17 00:04:49 GMT 2008

Even with the charitable organization designation, we would still need a permit - it does not come automatically, though it's generally not that onerous to get - and still need someone in charge of the bookkeeping.

And there may be some issues as to where the money goes, since Tom is not a charitable organization.&nbsp; But I'm not 100% sure on the regulations for the discretion a 501 corporation has for spending proceeds.&nbsp; It would need looking into.

Gini
"Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest." 

-Dumas

--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Jer &lt;jer.lance at gmail.com&gt; wrote:
From: Jer &lt;jer.lance at gmail.com&gt;
Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
To: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" &lt;concom at penguicon.org&gt;
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 4:52 PM

Aren't we in the process of filing the paperwork to become a charitable organization? One of the 50somethingCsomethings?

On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Ron Blanchett &lt;muteid10t at gmail.com&gt; wrote:

I did a little research in the last few minutes and unless we are a

non-profit we have problems with gabling in the state. If we where a

non-profit we would be covered under the states Charitable Gaming Laws

and we could apply for a Millionaire Party License that covers Texas

Hold'em and other gambling. So I guess this is a no go, unless I find

something else by doing more research.

-Ron

On 6/16/08, Marshal Newrock &lt;crywolf at kyndimarion.net&gt; wrote:

&gt; What if it were an event where participants donate a specific amount of

&gt; &nbsp;money (the same for everyone), in return for which they get a stack of

&gt; &nbsp;poker chips? &nbsp;The winners, as determined either by ranking or by total

&gt; &nbsp;chips held, then get prizes and/or can determine the recipient of the

&gt; &nbsp;proceeds. &nbsp;(Everyone gets ribbons.) &nbsp;Some of the details would depend

&gt; &nbsp;on the format used, of course.

&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;Would this give enough leeway, or would it still be considered

&gt; &nbsp;gambling? &nbsp;My hope is that a donation with no cash return would put it

&gt; &nbsp;more in the realm of a raffle, but I expect it isn't as simple as that.

&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;- Marshal

&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:39:31 -0400

&gt;

&gt; Jer &lt;jer.lance at gmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt;

&gt;

&gt; &gt; An auction to benefit someone isn't a big deal. Gambling for charity,

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; however, requires considerably more time and energy devoted to

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; legally doing everything.

&gt; &nbsp;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah &lt;ladysarahmarie at gmail.com&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the auction to

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; benefit Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; tell us what we did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; Sarah

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2

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&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you

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&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; #36 W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini &lt;zoethe at yahoo.com&gt; wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; &nbsp;It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics could be

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; solved, but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; event, but not really a charity event - unless Tom has registered

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; as a charity, we're just making a gift to him, not making a

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; tax-deductible charitable donation. &nbsp;It might seem nit-picky, but

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; these legal differences can really trip people up. &nbsp;And it still

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; runs up against the gambling laws.

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Gini

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; rest.

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; -Dumas

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; --- On *Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah &lt;ladysarahmarie at gmail.com&gt;* wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; From: LadySarah &lt;ladysarahmarie at gmail.com&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; been thinking

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" &lt;concom at penguicon.org&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Can I suggest a worthy charity?

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn tendon

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; and will shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; correct a "birth defect" they've been trying to correct all his

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; life. &nbsp;Tom has been making his living off just his music for the

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; past several years and has zero insurance. &nbsp;I know we did a lot to

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; help Tracy through her cancer, maybe we can help Tom now?

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Sarah

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; (brain almost back on the planet)

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; #36 W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;muteid10t at gmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off and would

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way more

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; function space to run. This is why just a poker event is on the

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; table right now and also because I don't have the resources or

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the interest in a full blown casino event.

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury &lt;gyrovagus at gmail.com&gt; wrote:

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. &nbsp;It is the

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; watered-down bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; Romulans would have been mercilessly killed at birth. &nbsp;Why not

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; have real poker? &nbsp;Maybe even expand it to "charity casino

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; event" and have blackjack, craps, roulette?

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;

&gt; &nbsp;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &nbsp;-moatn

&gt;

&gt;

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