[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

LadySarah ladysarahmarie at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:12:46 GMT 2008 

At least publicly.  :)

Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, as long as you say so :P
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Beverage licences are not required by people, the person throwing the
>> party already paid for the beer. This does not apply in most cases to
>> Businesses, unless it is at a business function i.e. business party at
>> a hotel. I see where you are going, hotel selling penguicon kegs =
>> penguicon getting to do what it wants with beer because they are
>> calling it a private business function. I say we are covered, I am
>> happy.
>>
>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Which covers room parties. :)
>> >
>> > --
>> >  jer
>> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
>> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Dan DeSloover <zifferent at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The wedding thing is because the wedding party is not charging
>> admission.
>> > > (like hell!)
>> > >
>> > > From the FAQ:
>> > >
>> > > "Normally, if someone is having a function at a banquet hall such as a
>> > > wedding reception and the host and/or guests are supplying the food
>> and
>> > > alcoholic beverages and there are no charges of any kind including any
>> > > entry fee or donation, no type of liquor license is available or
>> > > required."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jer wrote:
>> > > > Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>> > > > "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to
>> cover
>> > > > the
>> > > > cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a
>> wedding
>> > > > with
>> > > > an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>> > > >
>> > > > Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in
>> their
>> > > > best
>> > > > interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
>> law
>> > > > school degrees and bar exam results.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > jer
>> > > > jer.lance at gmail.com
>> > > > http://www.ibloviate.org
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>> > > >> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's
>> wholesale
>> > > >> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we
>> technically
>> > > >> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>> > > >> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>> > > >> drink.......
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -Ron
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
>> > individual
>> > > >> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
>> > violating
>> > > >> any
>> > > >> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license
>> is
>> > > >> > necessary.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant
>> that
>> > > >> holds
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>> > > >> Penguicon
>> > > >> > is legit.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The
>> law
>> > is
>> > > >> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs,
>> and
>> > > >> liquor
>> > > >> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area.
>> We
>> > are
>> > > >> no
>> > > >> > longer.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > --
>> > > >> >  jer
>> > > >> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
>> > > >> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <
>> muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>> > > >> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest
>> parties?
>> > > >> And
>> > > >> > given
>> > > >> > > >  that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>> > > >> delegation
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> > > >  copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >  On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >
>> > > >> > > >  > I am going to take just a second to point out that
>> technically
>> > > >> every
>> > > >> > > >  > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
>> > been
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> > > >  > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>> > > >> > > >  >
>> > > >> > > >  > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>> > > >> anyone
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> > > >  > no business in the state can provide beer without a
>> beverage
>> > > >> license.
>> > > >> > > >  >
>> > > >> > > >  > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we
>> should
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> > > >  > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>> > > >> > > >  >
>> > > >> > > >  > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade
>> just
>> > > >> pointing
>> > > >> > > >  > out the details.
>> > > >> > > >  > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to
>> have
>> > a
>> > > >> > > >  > charity poker tournament.
>> > > >> > > >  >
>> > > >> > > >  > -Ron
>> > > >> > > >  >
>> > > >> > > >  > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >> Sarah,
>> > > >> > > >  >>  that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there
>> was
>> > no
>> > > >> > trouble
>> > > >> > > >  >>  to prevent.
>> > > >> > > >  >>
>> > > >> > > >  >> -Matt
>> > > >> > > >  >>
>> > > >> > > >  >>
>> > > >> > > >  >>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>> > > >> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled
>> the
>> > > >> auction
>> > > >> > to benefit
>> > > >> > > >  >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able
>> to
>> > > >> tell
>> > > >> us
>> > > >> > what we
>> > > >> > > >  >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>> > > >> > > >  >>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>> Sarah
>> > > >> > > >  >>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> > > >> > > >  >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> > > >> > > >  >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> > > >> > > >  >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> > > >> > > >  >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> > > >> > > >  >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> > > >> > > >  >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>> > > >> Privateer
>> > > >> > #36
>> > > >> > > >  >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> > > >> > > >  >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>> > > >> > > >  >>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com
>> >
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other
>> logistics
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> be
>> > > >> > solved,
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>> > > >> event,
>> > > >> but
>> > > >> > not
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>> > > >> charity,
>> > > >> > we're just
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
>> > charitable
>> > > >> > donation.  It
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
>> > really
>> > > >> trip
>> > > >> > people
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> up.  And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Gini
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they
>> sometimes
>> > > >> take
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> > rest.
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> -Dumas
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <
>> ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
>> > Danger!!
>> > > >> I've
>> > > >> > been
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> thinking
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List"
>> > > >> <concom at penguicon.org>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a
>> torn
>> > > >> tendon
>> > > >> > and will
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>> > > >> correct
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> > "birth
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.
>>  Tom
>> > > >> has
>> > > >> been
>> > > >> > making
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> his living off just his music for the past several
>> years
>> > and
>> > > >> has
>> > > >> > zero
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> insurance.  I know we did a lot to help Tracy through
>> her
>> > > >> cancer,
>> > > >> > maybe we
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> can help Tom now?
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Sarah
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot
>> --
>> > > >> Privateer
>> > > >> > #36
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>> > > >> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull
>> off
>> > and
>> > > >> would
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and
>> way
>> > > >> more
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event
>> is
>> > on
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> > table
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources
>> or
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> > interest
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker.  It is
>> the
>> > > >> > watered-down
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>> > > >> Romulans
>> > > >> > would have
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  been mercilessly killed at birth.  Why not have real
>> > > >> poker?
>> > > >> > Maybe
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>> > > >> blackjack,
>> > > >> > craps,
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  roulette?
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  -moatn
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>> > > >> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the
>> last
>> > > >> couple
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>> days:
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>> > > >> tournament
>> > > >> > this
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money
>> used
>> > to
>> > > >> buy
>> > > >> > into
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>> > > >> choice.
>> > > >> I
>> > > >> > know
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>> at
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time)
>> likes
>> > > >> to
>> > > >> play
>> > > >> > and
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that
>> would
>> > be
>> > > >> into
>> > > >> > it.
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> -Ron
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> --
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>> Fred Allen  - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>> > > >> television."
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
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>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  --
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  Notice: I change my name every day. I'm the "man of
>> a
>> > > >> thousand
>> > > >> > names."
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me
>> as
>> > > >> Misha.
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>  http://www.menomenology.com/man/
>> > > >> > > >  >>>>>>
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>> > > ----
>> > > Dan DeSloover
>> > > O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will
>> > > never change our minds.
>> > >
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