[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

LadySarah ladysarahmarie at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:09:54 GMT 2008 

When you figure out who he is let's see if he'll adopt me as his daughter.
I'm much better behaved than Paris.  ;)

Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
"I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, it's impossible to keep up with, anymore. Whenever I see a hotel
> contract there are so many little flags at the bottom it seems like there's
> one guy out there that owns every hotel under a million different names.
> hehe
>
> --
> jer
> jer.lance at gmail.com
> http://www.ibloviate.org
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ah, I did not know that.   It's not always easy to keep track of who owns
>> what.
>>
>> Ew, I wonder if I've been sold lately....
>>
>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, Crown Plaza is a Holiday Inn property.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:58 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Holiday Inn?  I thought we were going to be in the Clave hotel... and
>>>> according to the Duckon program book that's the Crown Plaza.  ;P
>>>>
>>>> Of course Holiday Inn could own Crown Plaza and I don't know it so
>>>> you'll have to fix my head if that's the case.
>>>>
>>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Strike that, I meant Holiday Inn :P
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> jer
>>>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol
>>>>>> to minors even?  I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore.  ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>>>>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>>>>>>> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
>>>>>>> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
>>>>>>> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in
>>>>>>> their best interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust
>>>>>>> their law school degrees and bar exam results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> jer
>>>>>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>>>>>>>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>>>>>>>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>>>>>>>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>>>>>>>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>>>>>>>> drink.......
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
>>>>>>>> violating any
>>>>>>>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>>>>>>>> > necessary.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
>>>>>>>> holds a
>>>>>>>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>>>>>>>> Penguicon
>>>>>>>> > is legit.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The
>>>>>>>> law is
>>>>>>>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs,
>>>>>>>> and liquor
>>>>>>>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
>>>>>>>> are no
>>>>>>>> > longer.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> >  jer
>>>>>>>> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <
>>>>>>>> muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest
>>>>>>>> parties?  And
>>>>>>>> > given
>>>>>>>> > > >  that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>>>>>>>> delegation of
>>>>>>>> > > >  copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > >  On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > >  > I am going to take just a second to point out that
>>>>>>>> technically every
>>>>>>>> > > >  > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
>>>>>>>> been a
>>>>>>>> > > >  > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>>> > > >  > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>>>>>>>> anyone and
>>>>>>>> > > >  > no business in the state can provide beer without a
>>>>>>>> beverage license.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>>> > > >  > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we
>>>>>>>> should have
>>>>>>>> > > >  > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>>> > > >  > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>>>>>>>> pointing
>>>>>>>> > > >  > out the details.
>>>>>>>> > > >  > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> > > >  > charity poker tournament.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>>> > > >  > -Ron
>>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>>> > > >  > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >> Sarah,
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>  that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there
>>>>>>>> was no
>>>>>>>> > trouble
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>  to prevent.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >> -Matt
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>>>>>>>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>>>>>>>> auction
>>>>>>>> > to benefit
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
>>>>>>>> tell us
>>>>>>>> > what we
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Sarah
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>>>>> Privateer
>>>>>>>> > #36
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
>>>>>>>> could be
>>>>>>>> > solved,
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>>>>>>>> event, but
>>>>>>>> > not
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>>>>>>>> charity,
>>>>>>>> > we're just
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
>>>>>>>> charitable
>>>>>>>> > donation.  It
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
>>>>>>>> really trip
>>>>>>>> > people
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> up.  And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Gini
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they
>>>>>>>> sometimes take a
>>>>>>>> > rest.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> -Dumas
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <
>>>>>>>> ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
>>>>>>>> Danger!! I've
>>>>>>>> > been
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> thinking
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <
>>>>>>>> concom at penguicon.org>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a
>>>>>>>> torn tendon
>>>>>>>> > and will
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>>>>>>>> correct a
>>>>>>>> > "birth
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.
>>>>>>>>  Tom has been
>>>>>>>> > making
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
>>>>>>>> and has
>>>>>>>> > zero
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> insurance.  I know we did a lot to help Tracy through
>>>>>>>> her cancer,
>>>>>>>> > maybe we
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> can help Tom now?
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>>>>> Privateer
>>>>>>>> > #36
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
>>>>>>>> and would
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and
>>>>>>>> way more
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event
>>>>>>>> is on the
>>>>>>>> > table
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources
>>>>>>>> or the
>>>>>>>> > interest
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker.  It is
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> > watered-down
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>>>>>>>> Romulans
>>>>>>>> > would have
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  been mercilessly killed at birth.  Why not have real
>>>>>>>> poker?
>>>>>>>> > Maybe
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>>>>>>>> blackjack,
>>>>>>>> > craps,
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  roulette?
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  -moatn
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> days:
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>>>>>>>> tournament
>>>>>>>> > this
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money
>>>>>>>> used to buy
>>>>>>>> > into
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>>>>>>>> choice. I
>>>>>>>> > know
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time)
>>>>>>>> likes to play
>>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that
>>>>>>>> would be into
>>>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> Fred Allen  - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>>>>>>>> television."
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  --
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  Notice: I change my name every day. I'm the "man of a
>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>> > names."
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me
>>>>>>>> as Misha.
>>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
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