[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
Jer
jer.lance at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:08:13 GMT 2008
Well, as long as you say so :P
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
> Beverage licences are not required by people, the person throwing the
> party already paid for the beer. This does not apply in most cases to
> Businesses, unless it is at a business function i.e. business party at
> a hotel. I see where you are going, hotel selling penguicon kegs =
> penguicon getting to do what it wants with beer because they are
> calling it a private business function. I say we are covered, I am
> happy.
>
> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Which covers room parties. :)
> >
> > --
> > jer
> > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > http://www.ibloviate.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Dan DeSloover <zifferent at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > The wedding thing is because the wedding party is not charging
> admission.
> > > (like hell!)
> > >
> > > From the FAQ:
> > >
> > > "Normally, if someone is having a function at a banquet hall such as a
> > > wedding reception and the host and/or guests are supplying the food and
> > > alcoholic beverages and there are no charges of any kind including any
> > > entry fee or donation, no type of liquor license is available or
> > > required."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jer wrote:
> > > > Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
> > > > "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to
> cover
> > > > the
> > > > cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a
> wedding
> > > > with
> > > > an open bar? There's an exception in play.
> > > >
> > > > Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in
> their
> > > > best
> > > > interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
> law
> > > > school degrees and bar exam results.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > jer
> > > > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > > > http://www.ibloviate.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
> > > >> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
> > > >> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
> > > >> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
> > > >> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
> > > >> drink.......
> > > >>
> > > >> -Ron
> > > >>
> > > >> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
> > individual
> > > >> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
> > violating
> > > >> any
> > > >> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
> > > >> > necessary.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
> > > >> holds
> > > >> a
> > > >> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
> > > >> Penguicon
> > > >> > is legit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The
> law
> > is
> > > >> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs,
> and
> > > >> liquor
> > > >> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
> > are
> > > >> no
> > > >> > longer.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > jer
> > > >> > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > > >> > http://www.ibloviate.org
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <
> muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
> > > >> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest
> parties?
> > > >> And
> > > >> > given
> > > >> > > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
> > > >> delegation
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that
> technically
> > > >> every
> > > >> > > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
> > been
> > > >> a
> > > >> > > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
> > > >> anyone
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a
> beverage
> > > >> license.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we
> should
> > > >> have
> > > >> > > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
> > > >> pointing
> > > >> > > > > out the details.
> > > >> > > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to
> have
> > a
> > > >> > > > > charity poker tournament.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > -Ron
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >> Sarah,
> > > >> > > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there
> was
> > no
> > > >> > trouble
> > > >> > > > >> to prevent.
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> -Matt
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
> > > >> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
> > > >> auction
> > > >> > to benefit
> > > >> > > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
> > > >> tell
> > > >> us
> > > >> > what we
> > > >> > > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> Sarah
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > >> > > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > >> > > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > >> > > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > >> > > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > >> > > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > >> > > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> > > >> Privateer
> > > >> > #36
> > > >> > > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > >> > > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
> > > >> could
> > > >> be
> > > >> > solved,
> > > >> > > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
> > > >> event,
> > > >> but
> > > >> > not
> > > >> > > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
> > > >> charity,
> > > >> > we're just
> > > >> > > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
> > charitable
> > > >> > donation. It
> > > >> > > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
> > really
> > > >> trip
> > > >> > people
> > > >> > > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Gini
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they
> sometimes
> > > >> take
> > > >> a
> > > >> > rest.
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> -Dumas
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <
> ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
> > Danger!!
> > > >> I've
> > > >> > been
> > > >> > > > >>>> thinking
> > > >> > > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
> > > >> > > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List"
> > > >> <concom at penguicon.org>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a
> torn
> > > >> tendon
> > > >> > and will
> > > >> > > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
> > > >> correct
> > > >> a
> > > >> > "birth
> > > >> > > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.
> Tom
> > > >> has
> > > >> been
> > > >> > making
> > > >> > > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
> > and
> > > >> has
> > > >> > zero
> > > >> > > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through
> her
> > > >> cancer,
> > > >> > maybe we
> > > >> > > > >>>> can help Tom now?
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Sarah
> > > >> > > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > >> > > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > >> > > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > >> > > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > >> > > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > >> > > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > >> > > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> > > >> Privateer
> > > >> > #36
> > > >> > > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > >> > > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > >> > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > > >> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
> > and
> > > >> would
> > > >> > > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and
> way
> > > >> more
> > > >> > > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event
> is
> > on
> > > >> the
> > > >> > table
> > > >> > > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources
> or
> > > >> the
> > > >> > interest
> > > >> > > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
> > > >> > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is
> the
> > > >> > watered-down
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
> > > >> Romulans
> > > >> > would have
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real
> > > >> poker?
> > > >> > Maybe
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
> > > >> blackjack,
> > > >> > craps,
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> roulette?
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> -moatn
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > > >> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
> > > >> couple
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> days:
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
> > > >> tournament
> > > >> > this
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money
> used
> > to
> > > >> buy
> > > >> > into
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
> > > >> choice.
> > > >> I
> > > >> > know
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> at
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time)
> likes
> > > >> to
> > > >> play
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that
> would
> > be
> > > >> into
> > > >> > it.
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> -Ron
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
> > > >> television."
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>>
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> > > >> > > > >>>>>> --
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> Notice: I change my name every day. I'm the "man of a
> > > >> thousand
> > > >> > names."
> > > >> > > > >>>>>> If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me
> as
> > > >> Misha.
> > > >> > > > >>>>>>
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> > > ----
> > > Dan DeSloover
> > > O Lord, grant that we may always be right, for Thou knowest we will
> > > never change our minds.
> > >
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