[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

Jer jer.lance at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:07:47 GMT 2008 

Yeah, it's impossible to keep up with, anymore. Whenever I see a hotel
contract there are so many little flags at the bottom it seems like there's
one guy out there that owns every hotel under a million different names.
hehe

--
jer
jer.lance at gmail.com
http://www.ibloviate.org


On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:02 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, I did not know that.   It's not always easy to keep track of who owns
> what.
>
> Ew, I wonder if I've been sold lately....
>
> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, Crown Plaza is a Holiday Inn property.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:58 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Holiday Inn?  I thought we were going to be in the Clave hotel... and
>>> according to the Duckon program book that's the Crown Plaza.  ;P
>>>
>>> Of course Holiday Inn could own Crown Plaza and I don't know it so you'll
>>> have to fix my head if that's the case.
>>>
>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Strike that, I meant Holiday Inn :P
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> jer
>>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol to
>>>>> minors even?  I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore.  ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>>>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>>>>>> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
>>>>>> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
>>>>>> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
>>>>>> best interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
>>>>>> law school degrees and bar exam results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> jer
>>>>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>>>>>>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>>>>>>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>>>>>>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>>>>>>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>>>>>>> drink.......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
>>>>>>> violating any
>>>>>>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>>>>>>> > necessary.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
>>>>>>> holds a
>>>>>>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>>>>>>> Penguicon
>>>>>>> > is legit.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
>>>>>>> liquor
>>>>>>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
>>>>>>> are no
>>>>>>> > longer.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> >  jer
>>>>>>> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <
>>>>>>> muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
>>>>>>>  And
>>>>>>> > given
>>>>>>> > > >  that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>>>>>>> delegation of
>>>>>>> > > >  copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >  On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >  > I am going to take just a second to point out that
>>>>>>> technically every
>>>>>>> > > >  > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
>>>>>>> been a
>>>>>>> > > >  > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>> > > >  > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>>>>>>> anyone and
>>>>>>> > > >  > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
>>>>>>> license.
>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>> > > >  > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we
>>>>>>> should have
>>>>>>> > > >  > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>> > > >  > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>>>>>>> pointing
>>>>>>> > > >  > out the details.
>>>>>>> > > >  > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> > > >  > charity poker tournament.
>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>> > > >  > -Ron
>>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>>> > > >  > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >> Sarah,
>>>>>>> > > >  >>  that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> > trouble
>>>>>>> > > >  >>  to prevent.
>>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>>> > > >  >> -Matt
>>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>>>>>>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>>>>>>> auction
>>>>>>> > to benefit
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
>>>>>>> tell us
>>>>>>> > what we
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Sarah
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>>>> Privateer
>>>>>>> > #36
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
>>>>>>> could be
>>>>>>> > solved,
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>>>>>>> event, but
>>>>>>> > not
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>>>>>>> charity,
>>>>>>> > we're just
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
>>>>>>> charitable
>>>>>>> > donation.  It
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
>>>>>>> really trip
>>>>>>> > people
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> up.  And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Gini
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>> > rest.
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> -Dumas
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
>>>>>>> Danger!! I've
>>>>>>> > been
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> thinking
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <
>>>>>>> concom at penguicon.org>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
>>>>>>> tendon
>>>>>>> > and will
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>>>>>>> correct a
>>>>>>> > "birth
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.  Tom
>>>>>>> has been
>>>>>>> > making
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
>>>>>>> and has
>>>>>>> > zero
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> insurance.  I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
>>>>>>> cancer,
>>>>>>> > maybe we
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> can help Tom now?
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Sarah
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>>>> Privateer
>>>>>>> > #36
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
>>>>>>> and would
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and
>>>>>>> way more
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>> > table
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > interest
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker.  It is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > watered-down
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>>>>>>> Romulans
>>>>>>> > would have
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  been mercilessly killed at birth.  Why not have real
>>>>>>> poker?
>>>>>>> > Maybe
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>>>>>>> blackjack,
>>>>>>> > craps,
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  roulette?
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  -moatn
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> days:
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>>>>>>> tournament
>>>>>>> > this
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used
>>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>>> > into
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>>>>>>> choice. I
>>>>>>> > know
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> at
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time)
>>>>>>> likes to play
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would
>>>>>>> be into
>>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> Fred Allen  - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>>>>>>> television."
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  --
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  Notice: I change my name every day. I'm the "man of a
>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>> > names."
>>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me
>>>>>>> as Misha.
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