[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

Ron Blanchett muteid10t at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:05:11 GMT 2008 

Beverage licences are not required by people, the person throwing the
party already paid for the beer. This does not apply in most cases to
Businesses, unless it is at a business function i.e. business party at
a hotel. I see where you are going, hotel selling penguicon kegs =
penguicon getting to do what it wants with beer because they are
calling it a private business function. I say we are covered, I am
happy.

On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> Which covers room parties. :)
>
> --
>  jer
>  jer.lance at gmail.com
>  http://www.ibloviate.org
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Dan DeSloover <zifferent at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > The wedding thing is because the wedding party is not charging admission.
> > (like hell!)
> >
> > From the FAQ:
> >
> > "Normally, if someone is having a function at a banquet hall such as a
> > wedding reception and the host and/or guests are supplying the food and
> > alcoholic beverages and there are no charges of any kind including any
> > entry fee or donation, no type of liquor license is available or
> > required."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jer wrote:
> > > Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
> > > "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover
> > > the
> > > cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding
> > > with
> > > an open bar? There's an exception in play.
> > >
> > > Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
> > > best
> > > interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their law
> > > school degrees and bar exam results.
> > >
> > > --
> > > jer
> > > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > > http://www.ibloviate.org
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
> > >> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
> > >> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
> > >> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
> > >> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
> > >> drink.......
> > >>
> > >> -Ron
> > >>
> > >> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
> > >> >
> > >> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
> individual
> > >> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
> violating
> > >> any
> > >> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
> > >> > necessary.
> > >> >
> > >> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
> > >> holds
> > >> a
> > >> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
> > >> Penguicon
> > >> > is legit.
> > >> >
> > >> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law
> is
> > >> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
> > >> liquor
> > >> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
> are
> > >> no
> > >> > longer.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >  jer
> > >> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
> > >> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
> > >> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
> > >> And
> > >> > given
> > >> > > >  that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
> > >> delegation
> > >> of
> > >> > > >  copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >  On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >  > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
> > >> every
> > >> > > >  > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
> been
> > >> a
> > >> > > >  > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
> > >> > > >  >
> > >> > > >  > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
> > >> anyone
> > >> and
> > >> > > >  > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
> > >> license.
> > >> > > >  >
> > >> > > >  > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
> > >> have
> > >> > > >  > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
> > >> > > >  >
> > >> > > >  > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
> > >> pointing
> > >> > > >  > out the details.
> > >> > > >  > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have
> a
> > >> > > >  > charity poker tournament.
> > >> > > >  >
> > >> > > >  > -Ron
> > >> > > >  >
> > >> > > >  > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >> Sarah,
> > >> > > >  >>  that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was
> no
> > >> > trouble
> > >> > > >  >>  to prevent.
> > >> > > >  >>
> > >> > > >  >> -Matt
> > >> > > >  >>
> > >> > > >  >>
> > >> > > >  >>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
> > >> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
> > >> auction
> > >> > to benefit
> > >> > > >  >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
> > >> tell
> > >> us
> > >> > what we
> > >> > > >  >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
> > >> > > >  >>>
> > >> > > >  >>> Sarah
> > >> > > >  >>>
> > >> > > >  >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > >> > > >  >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > >> > > >  >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > >> > > >  >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > >> > > >  >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > >> > > >  >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > >> > > >  >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> > >> Privateer
> > >> > #36
> > >> > > >  >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > >> > > >  >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > >> > > >  >>>
> > >> > > >  >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
> > >> could
> > >> be
> > >> > solved,
> > >> > > >  >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
> > >> event,
> > >> but
> > >> > not
> > >> > > >  >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
> > >> charity,
> > >> > we're just
> > >> > > >  >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
> charitable
> > >> > donation.  It
> > >> > > >  >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
> really
> > >> trip
> > >> > people
> > >> > > >  >>>> up.  And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Gini
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
> > >> take
> > >> a
> > >> > rest.
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> -Dumas
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
> Danger!!
> > >> I've
> > >> > been
> > >> > > >  >>>> thinking
> > >> > > >  >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
> > >> > > >  >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List"
> > >> <concom at penguicon.org>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
> > >> tendon
> > >> > and will
> > >> > > >  >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
> > >> correct
> > >> a
> > >> > "birth
> > >> > > >  >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.  Tom
> > >> has
> > >> been
> > >> > making
> > >> > > >  >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
> and
> > >> has
> > >> > zero
> > >> > > >  >>>> insurance.  I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
> > >> cancer,
> > >> > maybe we
> > >> > > >  >>>> can help Tom now?
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Sarah
> > >> > > >  >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > >> > > >  >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > >> > > >  >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > >> > > >  >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > >> > > >  >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > >> > > >  >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > >> > > >  >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> > >> Privateer
> > >> > #36
> > >> > > >  >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > >> > > >  >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > >> > > >  >>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > >> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > >> > > >  >>>> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
> and
> > >> would
> > >> > > >  >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
> > >> more
> > >> > > >  >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is
> on
> > >> the
> > >> > table
> > >> > > >  >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or
> > >> the
> > >> > interest
> > >> > > >  >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
> > >> > > >  >>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker.  It is the
> > >> > watered-down
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
> > >> Romulans
> > >> > would have
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  been mercilessly killed at birth.  Why not have real
> > >> poker?
> > >> > Maybe
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
> > >> blackjack,
> > >> > craps,
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  roulette?
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  -moatn
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > >> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>> wrote:
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
> > >> couple
> > >> of
> > >> > > >  >>>>>> days:
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
> > >> tournament
> > >> > this
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used
> to
> > >> buy
> > >> > into
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
> > >> choice.
> > >> I
> > >> > know
> > >> > > >  >>>>>> at
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes
> > >> to
> > >> play
> > >> > and
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would
> be
> > >> into
> > >> > it.
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> -Ron
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> --
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>> Fred Allen  - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
> > >> television."
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>>
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> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  --
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  Notice: I change my name every day. I'm the "man of a
> > >> thousand
> > >> > names."
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me as
> > >> Misha.
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>  http://www.menomenology.com/man/
> > >> > > >  >>>>>>
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