[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
Jer
jer.lance at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:03:10 GMT 2008
"An Open Bar at a wedding = Bride and Groom get stuck with the bill for
all of the drinks trust me I had an open bar at my wedding. The tab
was huge."
Oh, and for the record, that isn't always true. Check with the Hilton or the
Crown Plaza about their wedding packages that include the open bar without
any tickets indicating cost or the like. Trust me, I'm looking at TWO such
contracts right now. In front of me.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not in michigan, here even social/member only organization still have
> to make there members pay at least the minimum/drink of what they
> paid. And I think if we are using the Hotel's license then we have to
> play by there license rules and not the club/member only rules.
>
> An Open Bar at a wedding = Bride and Groom get stuck with the bill for
> all of the drinks trust me I had an open bar at my wedding. The tab
> was huge.
>
> I only bring it up to keep us legal and not to stop us from doing it.
> Let those who want to drink beer, Drink. I just want to keep the Con
> out of any trouble we could get into.
>
> -Ron
>
> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
> > "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover
> the
> > cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding
> with
> > an open bar? There's an exception in play.
> >
> > Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
> best
> > interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their law
> > school degrees and bar exam results.
> >
> > --
> > jer
> > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > http://www.ibloviate.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
> > > give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
> > > price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
> > > have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
> > > con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
> > > drink.......
> > >
> > > -Ron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
> > > >
> > > > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
> individual
> > > > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
> violating
> > any
> > > > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
> > > > necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
> holds
> > a
> > > > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
> > Penguicon
> > > > is legit.
> > > >
> > > > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law
> is
> > > > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
> > liquor
> > > > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
> are
> > no
> > > > longer.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > jer
> > > > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > > > http://www.ibloviate.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
> And
> > > > given
> > > > > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
> > delegation of
> > > > > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
> > every
> > > > > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
> been a
> > > > > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
> anyone
> > and
> > > > > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
> > license.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
> > have
> > > > > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
> > pointing
> > > > > > > out the details.
> > > > > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have
> a
> > > > > > > charity poker tournament.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Ron
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Sarah,
> > > > > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was
> no
> > > > trouble
> > > > > > >> to prevent.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -Matt
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
> > > > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
> > auction
> > > > to benefit
> > > > > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
> tell
> > us
> > > > what we
> > > > > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Sarah
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > > > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > > > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > > > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > > > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > > > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > > > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> > Privateer
> > > > #36
> > > > > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > > > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
> could
> > be
> > > > solved,
> > > > > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
> event,
> > but
> > > > not
> > > > > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
> > charity,
> > > > we're just
> > > > > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
> charitable
> > > > donation. It
> > > > > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
> really
> > trip
> > > > people
> > > > > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Gini
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
> take
> > a
> > > > rest.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> -Dumas
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
> Danger!!
> > I've
> > > > been
> > > > > > >>>> thinking
> > > > > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
> > > > > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <
> concom at penguicon.org>
> > > > > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
> > tendon
> > > > and will
> > > > > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
> > correct a
> > > > "birth
> > > > > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life. Tom
> has
> > been
> > > > making
> > > > > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
> and
> > has
> > > > zero
> > > > > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
> > cancer,
> > > > maybe we
> > > > > > >>>> can help Tom now?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Sarah
> > > > > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > > > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > > > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > > > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > > > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > > > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > > > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> > Privateer
> > > > #36
> > > > > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > > > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > > > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
> and
> > would
> > > > > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
> > more
> > > > > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is
> on
> > the
> > > > table
> > > > > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or
> the
> > > > interest
> > > > > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is the
> > > > watered-down
> > > > > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
> Romulans
> > > > would have
> > > > > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real
> poker?
> > > > Maybe
> > > > > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
> > blackjack,
> > > > craps,
> > > > > > >>>>>> roulette?
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> -moatn
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > > > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
> > couple of
> > > > > > >>>>>> days:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
> > tournament
> > > > this
> > > > > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
> > > > > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used
> to
> > buy
> > > > into
> > > > > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
> > choice. I
> > > > know
> > > > > > >>>>>> at
> > > > > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes
> to
> > play
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would
> be
> > into
> > > > it.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> -Ron
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
> > television."
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
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> > thousand
> > > > names."
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> > Misha.
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