[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

LadySarah ladysarahmarie at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:02:46 GMT 2008 

Ah, I did not know that.   It's not always easy to keep track of who owns
what.

Ew, I wonder if I've been sold lately....

Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
"I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yep, Crown Plaza is a Holiday Inn property.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:58 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Holiday Inn?  I thought we were going to be in the Clave hotel... and
>> according to the Duckon program book that's the Crown Plaza.  ;P
>>
>> Of course Holiday Inn could own Crown Plaza and I don't know it so you'll
>> have to fix my head if that's the case.
>>
>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Strike that, I meant Holiday Inn :P
>>>
>>> --
>>> jer
>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol to
>>>> minors even?  I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore.  ;)
>>>>
>>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>>>>> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
>>>>> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
>>>>> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
>>>>> best interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
>>>>> law school degrees and bar exam results.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> jer
>>>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>>>>>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>>>>>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>>>>>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>>>>>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>>>>>> drink.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
>>>>>> individual
>>>>>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
>>>>>> violating any
>>>>>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>>>>>> > necessary.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
>>>>>> holds a
>>>>>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>>>>>> Penguicon
>>>>>> > is legit.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
>>>>>> liquor
>>>>>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
>>>>>> are no
>>>>>> > longer.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> >  jer
>>>>>> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>>> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
>>>>>>  And
>>>>>> > given
>>>>>> > > >  that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>>>>>> delegation of
>>>>>> > > >  copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >  On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >  > I am going to take just a second to point out that
>>>>>> technically every
>>>>>> > > >  > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
>>>>>> been a
>>>>>> > > >  > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>>>>>> anyone and
>>>>>> > > >  > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
>>>>>> license.
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> > > >  > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>>>>>> pointing
>>>>>> > > >  > out the details.
>>>>>> > > >  > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> > > >  > charity poker tournament.
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  > -Ron
>>>>>> > > >  >
>>>>>> > > >  > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >> Sarah,
>>>>>> > > >  >>  that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> > trouble
>>>>>> > > >  >>  to prevent.
>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>> > > >  >> -Matt
>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>> > > >  >>
>>>>>> > > >  >>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>>>>>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>>>>>> auction
>>>>>> > to benefit
>>>>>> > > >  >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
>>>>>> tell us
>>>>>> > what we
>>>>>> > > >  >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>> Sarah
>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>> > > >  >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>> > > >  >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>> > > >  >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>> > > >  >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>> > > >  >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>> > > >  >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>>> Privateer
>>>>>> > #36
>>>>>> > > >  >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>> > > >  >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>> > > >  >>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
>>>>>> could be
>>>>>> > solved,
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>>>>>> event, but
>>>>>> > not
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>>>>>> charity,
>>>>>> > we're just
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
>>>>>> charitable
>>>>>> > donation.  It
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
>>>>>> really trip
>>>>>> > people
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> up.  And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Gini
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
>>>>>> take a
>>>>>> > rest.
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> -Dumas
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
>>>>>> Danger!! I've
>>>>>> > been
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> thinking
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <
>>>>>> concom at penguicon.org>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
>>>>>> tendon
>>>>>> > and will
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>>>>>> correct a
>>>>>> > "birth
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.  Tom
>>>>>> has been
>>>>>> > making
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
>>>>>> and has
>>>>>> > zero
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> insurance.  I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
>>>>>> cancer,
>>>>>> > maybe we
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> can help Tom now?
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Sarah
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>>> Privateer
>>>>>> > #36
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
>>>>>> and would
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and
>>>>>> way more
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> > table
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > interest
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker.  It is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> > watered-down
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>>>>>> Romulans
>>>>>> > would have
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  been mercilessly killed at birth.  Why not have real
>>>>>> poker?
>>>>>> > Maybe
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>>>>>> blackjack,
>>>>>> > craps,
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  roulette?
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  -moatn
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> days:
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>>>>>> tournament
>>>>>> > this
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used
>>>>>> to buy
>>>>>> > into
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>>>>>> choice. I
>>>>>> > know
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>> at
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes
>>>>>> to play
>>>>>> > and
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would
>>>>>> be into
>>>>>> > it.
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> --
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>> Fred Allen  - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>>>>>> television."
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>>
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>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  --
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  Notice: I change my name every day. I'm the "man of a
>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>> > names."
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me as
>>>>>> Misha.
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >  >>>>>>  http://www.menomenology.com/man/
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