[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
Jer
jer.lance at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 17:00:21 GMT 2008
Yep, Crown Plaza is a Holiday Inn property.
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:58 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> Holiday Inn? I thought we were going to be in the Clave hotel... and
> according to the Duckon program book that's the Crown Plaza. ;P
>
> Of course Holiday Inn could own Crown Plaza and I don't know it so you'll
> have to fix my head if that's the case.
>
> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
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>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Strike that, I meant Holiday Inn :P
>>
>> --
>> jer
>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol to
>>> minors even? I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore. ;)
>>>
>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>>>> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
>>>> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
>>>> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>>>>
>>>> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
>>>> best interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
>>>> law school degrees and bar exam results.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> jer
>>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>>>>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>>>>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>>>>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>>>>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>>>>> drink.......
>>>>>
>>>>> -Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private
>>>>> individual
>>>>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not
>>>>> violating any
>>>>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>>>>> > necessary.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
>>>>> holds a
>>>>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>>>>> Penguicon
>>>>> > is legit.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law
>>>>> is
>>>>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
>>>>> liquor
>>>>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We
>>>>> are no
>>>>> > longer.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > jer
>>>>> > jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>>> > http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>>>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
>>>>> And
>>>>> > given
>>>>> > > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>>>>> delegation of
>>>>> > > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
>>>>> every
>>>>> > > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has
>>>>> been a
>>>>> > > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>>>>> anyone and
>>>>> > > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
>>>>> license.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
>>>>> have
>>>>> > > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>>>>> pointing
>>>>> > > > > out the details.
>>>>> > > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have
>>>>> a
>>>>> > > > > charity poker tournament.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > -Ron
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >> Sarah,
>>>>> > > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was
>>>>> no
>>>>> > trouble
>>>>> > > > >> to prevent.
>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>> > > > >> -Matt
>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>>>>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>>>>> auction
>>>>> > to benefit
>>>>> > > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
>>>>> tell us
>>>>> > what we
>>>>> > > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>>>>> > > > >>>
>>>>> > > > >>> Sarah
>>>>> > > > >>>
>>>>> > > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>> > > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>> > > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>> > > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>> > > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>> > > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>> > > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>> Privateer
>>>>> > #36
>>>>> > > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>> > > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>> > > > >>>
>>>>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
>>>>> could be
>>>>> > solved,
>>>>> > > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>>>>> event, but
>>>>> > not
>>>>> > > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>>>>> charity,
>>>>> > we're just
>>>>> > > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible
>>>>> charitable
>>>>> > donation. It
>>>>> > > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can
>>>>> really trip
>>>>> > people
>>>>> > > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Gini
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
>>>>> take a
>>>>> > rest.
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> -Dumas
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general]
>>>>> Danger!! I've
>>>>> > been
>>>>> > > > >>>> thinking
>>>>> > > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>>>>> > > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <
>>>>> concom at penguicon.org>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
>>>>> tendon
>>>>> > and will
>>>>> > > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>>>>> correct a
>>>>> > "birth
>>>>> > > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life. Tom
>>>>> has been
>>>>> > making
>>>>> > > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years
>>>>> and has
>>>>> > zero
>>>>> > > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
>>>>> cancer,
>>>>> > maybe we
>>>>> > > > >>>> can help Tom now?
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Sarah
>>>>> > > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>>> > > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>>> > > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>>> > > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>>> > > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>>> > > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>>> > > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>>> Privateer
>>>>> > #36
>>>>> > > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>>> > > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off
>>>>> and would
>>>>> > > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
>>>>> more
>>>>> > > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is
>>>>> on the
>>>>> > table
>>>>> > > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or
>>>>> the
>>>>> > interest
>>>>> > > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>>>>> > > > >>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is the
>>>>> > watered-down
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>>>>> Romulans
>>>>> > would have
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real
>>>>> poker?
>>>>> > Maybe
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>>>>> blackjack,
>>>>> > craps,
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> roulette?
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -moatn
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>>>>> couple of
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> days:
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>>>>> tournament
>>>>> > this
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used
>>>>> to buy
>>>>> > into
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>>>>> choice. I
>>>>> > know
>>>>> > > > >>>>>> at
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes
>>>>> to play
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would
>>>>> be into
>>>>> > it.
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -Ron
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> --
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>>>>> television."
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
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>>>>> thousand
>>>>> > names."
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