[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
LadySarah
ladysarahmarie at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 16:58:01 GMT 2008
Holiday Inn? I thought we were going to be in the Clave hotel... and
according to the Duckon program book that's the Crown Plaza. ;P
Of course Holiday Inn could own Crown Plaza and I don't know it so you'll
have to fix my head if that's the case.
Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
"I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> Strike that, I meant Holiday Inn :P
>
> --
> jer
> jer.lance at gmail.com
> http://www.ibloviate.org
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol to
>> minors even? I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore. ;)
>>
>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer #36
>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>>> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
>>> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
>>> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>>>
>>> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
>>> best interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
>>> law school degrees and bar exam results.
>>>
>>> --
>>> jer
>>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>>>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>>>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>>>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>>>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>>>> drink.......
>>>>
>>>> -Ron
>>>>
>>>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>>>> >
>>>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private individual
>>>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not violating
>>>> any
>>>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>>>> > necessary.
>>>> >
>>>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
>>>> holds a
>>>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>>>> Penguicon
>>>> > is legit.
>>>> >
>>>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law is
>>>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
>>>> liquor
>>>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We are
>>>> no
>>>> > longer.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > jer
>>>> > jer.lance at gmail.com
>>>> > http://www.ibloviate.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
>>>> And
>>>> > given
>>>> > > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>>>> delegation of
>>>> > > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
>>>> every
>>>> > > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has been
>>>> a
>>>> > > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>>>> anyone and
>>>> > > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
>>>> license.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
>>>> have
>>>> > > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>>>> pointing
>>>> > > > > out the details.
>>>> > > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have a
>>>> > > > > charity poker tournament.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > -Ron
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > >> Sarah,
>>>> > > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was no
>>>> > trouble
>>>> > > > >> to prevent.
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> -Matt
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >>
>>>> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>>>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>>>> auction
>>>> > to benefit
>>>> > > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to
>>>> tell us
>>>> > what we
>>>> > > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> > > > >>> Sarah
>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> > > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>> > > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>> > > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>> > > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>> > > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>> > > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>> > > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>> Privateer
>>>> > #36
>>>> > > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>> > > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>> > > > >>>
>>>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
>>>> could be
>>>> > solved,
>>>> > > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>>>> event, but
>>>> > not
>>>> > > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>>>> charity,
>>>> > we're just
>>>> > > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible charitable
>>>> > donation. It
>>>> > > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can really
>>>> trip
>>>> > people
>>>> > > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> Gini
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
>>>> take a
>>>> > rest.
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> -Dumas
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>>> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!!
>>>> I've
>>>> > been
>>>> > > > >>>> thinking
>>>> > > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>>>> > > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <
>>>> concom at penguicon.org>
>>>> > > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
>>>> tendon
>>>> > and will
>>>> > > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>>>> correct a
>>>> > "birth
>>>> > > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life. Tom
>>>> has been
>>>> > making
>>>> > > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years and
>>>> has
>>>> > zero
>>>> > > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
>>>> cancer,
>>>> > maybe we
>>>> > > > >>>> can help Tom now?
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> Sarah
>>>> > > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>>> > > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>>> > > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>>> > > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>>> > > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>>> > > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>>> > > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>>> Privateer
>>>> > #36
>>>> > > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>>> > > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>>> > > > >>>>
>>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off and
>>>> would
>>>> > > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
>>>> more
>>>> > > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is on
>>>> the
>>>> > table
>>>> > > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or
>>>> the
>>>> > interest
>>>> > > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>>>> > > > >>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is the
>>>> > watered-down
>>>> > > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>>>> Romulans
>>>> > would have
>>>> > > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real
>>>> poker?
>>>> > Maybe
>>>> > > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>>>> blackjack,
>>>> > craps,
>>>> > > > >>>>>> roulette?
>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>> -moatn
>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>>>> couple of
>>>> > > > >>>>>> days:
>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>>>> tournament
>>>> > this
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used to
>>>> buy
>>>> > into
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>>>> choice. I
>>>> > know
>>>> > > > >>>>>> at
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes
>>>> to play
>>>> > and
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would be
>>>> into
>>>> > it.
>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -Ron
>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> --
>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>>>> television."
>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > > >>>>>>>
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