[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
Ron Blanchett
muteid10t at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 16:57:38 GMT 2008
Not in michigan, here even social/member only organization still have
to make there members pay at least the minimum/drink of what they
paid. And I think if we are using the Hotel's license then we have to
play by there license rules and not the club/member only rules.
An Open Bar at a wedding = Bride and Groom get stuck with the bill for
all of the drinks trust me I had an open bar at my wedding. The tab
was huge.
I only bring it up to keep us legal and not to stop us from doing it.
Let those who want to drink beer, Drink. I just want to keep the Con
out of any trouble we could get into.
-Ron
On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>
> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their best
> interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their law
> school degrees and bar exam results.
>
> --
> jer
> jer.lance at gmail.com
> http://www.ibloviate.org
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
> > give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
> > price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
> > have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
> > con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
> > drink.......
> >
> > -Ron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
> > >
> > > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private individual
> > > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not violating
> any
> > > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
> > > necessary.
> > >
> > > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that holds
> a
> > > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
> Penguicon
> > > is legit.
> > >
> > > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law is
> > > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
> liquor
> > > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We are
> no
> > > longer.
> > >
> > > --
> > > jer
> > > jer.lance at gmail.com
> > > http://www.ibloviate.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
> > > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties? And
> > > given
> > > > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
> delegation of
> > > > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
> every
> > > > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has been a
> > > > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to anyone
> and
> > > > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
> license.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
> have
> > > > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
> pointing
> > > > > > out the details.
> > > > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have a
> > > > > > charity poker tournament.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ron
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Sarah,
> > > > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was no
> > > trouble
> > > > > >> to prevent.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -Matt
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
> > > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
> auction
> > > to benefit
> > > > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to tell
> us
> > > what we
> > > > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Sarah
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> Privateer
> > > #36
> > > > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics could
> be
> > > solved,
> > > > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation event,
> but
> > > not
> > > > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
> charity,
> > > we're just
> > > > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible charitable
> > > donation. It
> > > > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can really
> trip
> > > people
> > > > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Gini
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take
> a
> > > rest.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> -Dumas
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!!
> I've
> > > been
> > > > > >>>> thinking
> > > > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
> > > > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <concom at penguicon.org>
> > > > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
> tendon
> > > and will
> > > > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
> correct a
> > > "birth
> > > > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life. Tom has
> been
> > > making
> > > > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years and
> has
> > > zero
> > > > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
> cancer,
> > > maybe we
> > > > > >>>> can help Tom now?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Sarah
> > > > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
> Privateer
> > > #36
> > > > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off and
> would
> > > > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
> more
> > > > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is on
> the
> > > table
> > > > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or the
> > > interest
> > > > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is the
> > > watered-down
> > > > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to Romulans
> > > would have
> > > > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real poker?
> > > Maybe
> > > > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
> blackjack,
> > > craps,
> > > > > >>>>>> roulette?
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> -moatn
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
> > > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
> couple of
> > > > > >>>>>> days:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
> tournament
> > > this
> > > > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
> > > > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used to
> buy
> > > into
> > > > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
> choice. I
> > > know
> > > > > >>>>>> at
> > > > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes to
> play
> > > and
> > > > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would be
> into
> > > it.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> -Ron
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> --
> > > > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
> television."
> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>>
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