[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
Jer
jer.lance at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 16:51:54 GMT 2008
Strike that, I meant Holiday Inn :P
--
jer
jer.lance at gmail.com
http://www.ibloviate.org
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol to
> minors even? I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore. ;)
>
> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
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> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
>> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
>> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
>> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>>
>> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their
>> best interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their
>> law school degrees and bar exam results.
>>
>> --
>> jer
>> jer.lance at gmail.com
>> http://www.ibloviate.org
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>>> drink.......
>>>
>>> -Ron
>>>
>>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>>> >
>>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private individual
>>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not violating
>>> any
>>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>>> > necessary.
>>> >
>>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that
>>> holds a
>>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>>> Penguicon
>>> > is legit.
>>> >
>>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law is
>>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
>>> liquor
>>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We are
>>> no
>>> > longer.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > jer
>>> > jer.lance at gmail.com
>>> > http://www.ibloviate.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?
>>> And
>>> > given
>>> > > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>>> delegation of
>>> > > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
>>> every
>>> > > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has been
>>> a
>>> > > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to
>>> anyone and
>>> > > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
>>> license.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
>>> have
>>> > > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>>> pointing
>>> > > > > out the details.
>>> > > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have a
>>> > > > > charity poker tournament.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -Ron
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >> Sarah,
>>> > > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was no
>>> > trouble
>>> > > > >> to prevent.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> -Matt
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>>> auction
>>> > to benefit
>>> > > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to tell
>>> us
>>> > what we
>>> > > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> Sarah
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>> > > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>> > > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>> > > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>> > > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>> > > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>> > > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>> Privateer
>>> > #36
>>> > > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>> > > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics
>>> could be
>>> > solved,
>>> > > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation
>>> event, but
>>> > not
>>> > > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>>> charity,
>>> > we're just
>>> > > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible charitable
>>> > donation. It
>>> > > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can really
>>> trip
>>> > people
>>> > > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> Gini
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes
>>> take a
>>> > rest.
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> -Dumas
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>>> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!!
>>> I've
>>> > been
>>> > > > >>>> thinking
>>> > > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>>> > > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <concom at penguicon.org
>>> >
>>> > > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
>>> tendon
>>> > and will
>>> > > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>>> correct a
>>> > "birth
>>> > > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life. Tom has
>>> been
>>> > making
>>> > > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years and
>>> has
>>> > zero
>>> > > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
>>> cancer,
>>> > maybe we
>>> > > > >>>> can help Tom now?
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> Sarah
>>> > > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>>> > > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>>> > > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>>> > > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>>> > > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>>> > > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>>> > > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>>> Privateer
>>> > #36
>>> > > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>>> > > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>>> > > > >>>>
>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>> > > > >>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off and
>>> would
>>> > > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
>>> more
>>> > > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is on
>>> the
>>> > table
>>> > > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or the
>>> > interest
>>> > > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>>> > > > >>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is the
>>> > watered-down
>>> > > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to
>>> Romulans
>>> > would have
>>> > > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real
>>> poker?
>>> > Maybe
>>> > > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>>> blackjack,
>>> > craps,
>>> > > > >>>>>> roulette?
>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>> -moatn
>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>> > > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>>> couple of
>>> > > > >>>>>> days:
>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>>> tournament
>>> > this
>>> > > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>>> > > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used to
>>> buy
>>> > into
>>> > > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>>> choice. I
>>> > know
>>> > > > >>>>>> at
>>> > > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes to
>>> play
>>> > and
>>> > > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would be
>>> into
>>> > it.
>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>> -Ron
>>> > > > >>>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>> --
>>> > > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>>> television."
>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>
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>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>> --
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>>> thousand
>>> > names."
>>> > > > >>>>>> If you met me prior to 3/17/08 you might remember me as
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