[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking

LadySarah ladysarahmarie at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 16:44:56 GMT 2008 

Does the Hilton really care this year if we're going to give alcohol to
minors even?  I didn't think we were the Hilton's concern anymore.  ;)

Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
"I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
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On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:

> Again, that is simply not true. That is untrue of "social clubs" and
> "membership organizations" which consider your membership dues to cover the
> cost. There are also dozens of other exceptions. Ever been to a wedding with
> an open bar? There's an exception in play.
>
> Suffice to say, the legal team that the Hilton employs has it in their best
> interests not to lose their liquor license. I'm going to trust their law
> school degrees and bar exam results.
>
> --
> jer
> jer.lance at gmail.com
> http://www.ibloviate.org
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
>> give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
>> price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
>> have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
>> con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
>> drink.......
>>
>> -Ron
>>
>> On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>> >
>> > Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private individual
>> > throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not violating
>> any
>> > standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
>> > necessary.
>> >
>> > Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that holds
>> a
>> > liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract,
>> Penguicon
>> > is legit.
>> >
>> > Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law is
>> > suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and
>> liquor
>> > distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We are
>> no
>> > longer.
>> >
>> > --
>> >  jer
>> >  jer.lance at gmail.com
>> >  http://www.ibloviate.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
>> > > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties?  And
>> > given
>> > > >  that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the
>> delegation of
>> > > >  copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >  On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >  > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically
>> every
>> > > >  > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has been a
>> > > >  > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
>> > > >  >
>> > > >  > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to anyone
>> and
>> > > >  > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage
>> license.
>> > > >  >
>> > > >  > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should
>> have
>> > > >  > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
>> > > >  >
>> > > >  > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just
>> pointing
>> > > >  > out the details.
>> > > >  > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have a
>> > > >  > charity poker tournament.
>> > > >  >
>> > > >  > -Ron
>> > > >  >
>> > > >  > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >  >> Sarah,
>> > > >  >>  that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was no
>> > trouble
>> > > >  >>  to prevent.
>> > > >  >>
>> > > >  >> -Matt
>> > > >  >>
>> > > >  >>
>> > > >  >>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
>> > <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >  >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the
>> auction
>> > to benefit
>> > > >  >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to tell
>> us
>> > what we
>> > > >  >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
>> > > >  >>>
>> > > >  >>> Sarah
>> > > >  >>>
>> > > >  >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> > > >  >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> > > >  >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> > > >  >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> > > >  >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> > > >  >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> > > >  >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>> Privateer
>> > #36
>> > > >  >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> > > >  >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>> > > >  >>>
>> > > >  >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics could
>> be
>> > solved,
>> > > >  >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation event,
>> but
>> > not
>> > > >  >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a
>> charity,
>> > we're just
>> > > >  >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible charitable
>> > donation.  It
>> > > >  >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can really
>> trip
>> > people
>> > > >  >>>> up.  And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> Gini
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take
>> a
>> > rest.
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> -Dumas
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
>> > > >  >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!!
>> I've
>> > been
>> > > >  >>>> thinking
>> > > >  >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
>> > > >  >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <concom at penguicon.org>
>> > > >  >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn
>> tendon
>> > and will
>> > > >  >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to
>> correct a
>> > "birth
>> > > >  >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life.  Tom has
>> been
>> > making
>> > > >  >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years and
>> has
>> > zero
>> > > >  >>>> insurance.  I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her
>> cancer,
>> > maybe we
>> > > >  >>>> can help Tom now?
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> Sarah
>> > > >  >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
>> > > >  >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
>> > > >  >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
>> > > >  >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
>> > > >  >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
>> > > >  >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
>> > > >  >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot --
>> Privateer
>> > #36
>> > > >  >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
>> > > >  >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
>> > > >  >>>>
>> > > >  >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> > > >  >>>> wrote:
>> > > >  >>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off and
>> would
>> > > >  >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way
>> more
>> > > >  >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is on
>> the
>> > table
>> > > >  >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or the
>> > interest
>> > > >  >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
>> > > >  >>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >  >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker.  It is the
>> > watered-down
>> > > >  >>>>>>  bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to Romulans
>> > would have
>> > > >  >>>>>>  been mercilessly killed at birth.  Why not have real poker?
>> > Maybe
>> > > >  >>>>>>  even expand it to "charity casino event" and have
>> blackjack,
>> > craps,
>> > > >  >>>>>>  roulette?
>> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>  -moatn
>> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>  On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
>> > <muteid10t at gmail.com>
>> > > >  >>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >  >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last
>> couple of
>> > > >  >>>>>> days:
>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker
>> tournament
>> > this
>> > > >  >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
>> > > >  >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used to
>> buy
>> > into
>> > > >  >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's
>> choice. I
>> > know
>> > > >  >>>>>> at
>> > > >  >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes to
>> play
>> > and
>> > > >  >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would be
>> into
>> > it.
>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>> -Ron
>> > > >  >>>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>> --
>> > > >  >>>>>>> Fred Allen  - "Imitation is the sincerest form of
>> television."
>> > > >  >>>>>>
>> > > >  >>>>>>>
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