[Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've been thinking
Ron Blanchett
muteid10t at gmail.com
Mon Jun 16 16:37:43 GMT 2008
The Giving away part is still a grey area, in Michigan you can not
give away or sell an alcoholic beverage for less than it's wholesale
price. So if we pay $24 for a 24 pack of bottles then we technically
have to sell them for a dolor each. Loop hole, give tickets to each
con member that are valued at the cost of what we paid for for one
drink.......
-Ron
On 6/16/08, Jer <jer.lance at gmail.com> wrote:
> Umm, hold up... let's bring on the sanity.
>
> Room parties: No need for liquor license. You are a private individual
> throwing a party in your private room. So long as you're not violating any
> standard drinking laws (serving minors, etc) no special license is
> necessary.
>
> Consuite: We are giving away the hotel's beer in a restaurant that holds a
> liquor license. So long as we obey the terms within our contract, Penguicon
> is legit.
>
> Consuite the old way: We were (debatably) breaking the law. The law is
> suitably vague when it comes to social clubs, membership clubs, and liquor
> distribution within such. We were certainly within a grey area. We are no
> longer.
>
> --
> jer
> jer.lance at gmail.com
> http://www.ibloviate.org
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Ron Blanchett <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The state sells temporary Beverage Permits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/16/08, Neal Dudley <neal.dudley at utoledo.edu> wrote:
> > > If that is the case, how then can there be Oktoberfest parties? And
> given
> > > that case, how do we get similar legal permission for the delegation of
> > > copious amounts of alcoholic beverages?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/16/08 3:22 PM, "Ron Blanchett" <muteid10t at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am going to take just a second to point out that technically every
> > > > year Penguicon has Given Free beer out in the ConSuite has been a
> > > > violation of Michigan Beverage Law.
> > > >
> > > > No Business in the State of Michigan can give away beer to anyone and
> > > > no business in the state can provide beer without a beverage license.
> > > >
> > > > So if we are going to get technical about this idea we should have
> > > > been technical about the Beer issue for the last 6 years.
> > > >
> > > > I am not trying to rain on the Beer in ConSuite parade just pointing
> > > > out the details.
> > > > And the gambling law thing is a good reason maybe not to have a
> > > > charity poker tournament.
> > > >
> > > > -Ron
> > > >
> > > > On 6/16/08, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Sarah,
> > > >> that was an auction, not a casino tournament, so there was no
> trouble
> > > >> to prevent.
> > > >>
> > > >> -Matt
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM, LadySarah
> <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> I'm going to bet someone who remembers how we handled the auction
> to benefit
> > > >>> Tracy was handled is still around, they should be able to tell us
> what we
> > > >>> did to keep from being in trouble with that one. :)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sarah
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > >>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > >>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > >>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > >>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > >>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > >>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer
> #36
> > > >>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > >>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Gini <zoethe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It's not a bad thought, assuming all the other logistics could be
> solved,
> > > >>>> but we would have to make it clear that it's a donation event, but
> not
> > > >>>> really a charity event - unless Tom has registered as a charity,
> we're just
> > > >>>> making a gift to him, not making a tax-deductible charitable
> donation. It
> > > >>>> might seem nit-picky, but these legal differences can really trip
> people
> > > >>>> up. And it still runs up against the gambling laws.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Gini
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Rogues are preferable to imbeciles because they sometimes take a
> rest.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -Dumas
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> From: LadySarah <ladysarahmarie at gmail.com>
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Penguicon-Concom] [penguicon-general] Danger!! I've
> been
> > > >>>> thinking
> > > >>>> To: penguicon-general at penguicon.org
> > > >>>> Cc: "Penguicon Concom Discussion List" <concom at penguicon.org>
> > > >>>> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 11:21 AM
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Can I suggest a worthy charity?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Our own Tom Smith has just had knee surgery to fix a torn tendon
> and will
> > > >>>> shortly (prolly this week) be having the 6th surgery to correct a
> "birth
> > > >>>> defect" they've been trying to correct all his life. Tom has been
> making
> > > >>>> his living off just his music for the past several years and has
> zero
> > > >>>> insurance. I know we did a lot to help Tracy through her cancer,
> maybe we
> > > >>>> can help Tom now?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Sarah
> > > >>>> (brain almost back on the planet)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Lady Sarah, que_sara_sara
> > > >>>> "I don't know man, I didn't do it." ~~Mal2
> > > >>>> Programming Assistant, Penguicon 6.0
> > > >>>> The Chocolate Goddess, coming soon to a con near you
> > > >>>> Warrior Princess of the Clan of the Lonely Goatherd
> > > >>>> IWG Wench #539 MCL, Local 69
> > > >>>> Scarlet B. Harlot, Figure Head for the Scarlet Harlot -- Privateer
> #36
> > > >>>> W3NCH, the HAM Radio Wench
> > > >>>> "...because you can't spell Wench with an 8!"
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Ron Blanchett
> <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> A charity casino event would be much harder to pull off and would
> > > >>>>> require a lot more work just to get off the ground and way more
> > > >>>>> function space to run. This is why just a poker event is on the
> table
> > > >>>>> right now and also because I don't have the resources or the
> interest
> > > >>>>> in a full blown casino event.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 6/16/08, Jefferson Fury <gyrovagus at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> My thought is that Texas Hold'em is not poker. It is the
> watered-down
> > > >>>>>> bastard offspring of poker and had it been born to Romulans
> would have
> > > >>>>>> been mercilessly killed at birth. Why not have real poker?
> Maybe
> > > >>>>>> even expand it to "charity casino event" and have blackjack,
> craps,
> > > >>>>>> roulette?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -moatn
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Ron Blanchett
> <muteid10t at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> I have been throwing this thought around for the last couple of
> > > >>>>>> days:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> What does everyone think of having a charity poker tournament
> this
> > > >>>>>>> year at Penguicon???
> > > >>>>>>> It would be Texas Hold'em Poker and all the Money used to buy
> into
> > > >>>>>>> said tournament would go to a charity of Penguicon's choice. I
> know
> > > >>>>>> at
> > > >>>>>>> least one of our GoH's (if he shows up this time) likes to play
> and
> > > >>>>>>> there should be at least a few other people that would be into
> it.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Thoughts, interest, concerns welcome.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> -Ron
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>> Fred Allen - "Imitation is the sincerest form of television."
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
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